Self-Proclaimed “Conservative” Vikings Stadium #Wilfare Queens

@edkohler are you serious? Wilfare? Lmao. Work hard for the money you deserve right... Guess not socialist. Sorry I'm for #capitalism!

Here is a decent example of how fiscal conservatism breaks down when it’s presented with demands for corporate welfare from NFL franchise owners.

@edkohler a Vikings stadium promotes growth for MN in numerous ways. It's an investment for the state that will pay it self back.

The fiscal conservative defends public investments in private businesses when the business is in the business of entertaining him 10 times per year.

He’s willing to assume that the NFL franchise wouldn’t ask for so much corporate welfare that business would end up being a financial drain on the public over the next 30 years.

It doesn’t matter to him that the business is perfectly capable of raising money privately for a stadium. We should extract it from the public on behalf of a private business instead.

@edkohler BS. I'm ashamed your from MY state. Go on over to @MNMomentum and get educated!

He seems to believe things that even the Vikings don’t claim to be true. The Vikings paint as rosy a picture as possible about the financial impact of the stadium, but they’re not stupid enough to claim that publicly subsidizing 30 years of NFL games at a cost of more than $2 million per game makes financial sense for the public.

@edkohler have you seen our "politics"... Obama is president. Enough said. There is plenty of dumbass people with their own agenda.

Apparently, politicians are stupid if they aren’t willing to extract money from Minnesotans through taxes on behalf of a New Jersey businessman who happens to own a local NFL franchise. I’m willing to believe that there are politicians who would vote in favor of corporate welfare for an NFL franchise, but the lopsidedness of the plan would have to at least a bit more favorable for the public than what the Vikings franchise has been demanding. Politicians may be willing to hold their nose and vote for a Vikings stadium corporate welfare bill, but not one that includes spending $200 million to build a 21,000 car parking lot in Arden Hills.

@edkohler I am 100% conservative. For small government, fiscal responsibility, etc... But this is one area that will pay it self back.

Generally, people who are “100% Conservative” don’t support borrowing $650,000,000 and making debt payments on that money over 30 years so we can offer a grant to a company that employs a few hundred people. People who are “100% Conservative” would generally let the market decide if building a $1.1 billion stadium for 300 uses over 30 years makes financial sense. The NFL franchise, local businesses, the NFL, and fans can work together to make that dream a reality if that dream makes financial sense. Sometimes dreams fall apart when economic realities set in.

Generally, “small government” types don’t support expanding government’s budget by $50 million per year in order to meet a company’s corporate welfare demands.

Generally, “fiscal responsibility” folks support investments that have a shot at a net positive return.

@edkohler the racino supports it alone. That way the state wouldn't have to be involved...

The lack of understanding of how a dollar put into a slot ends up in Zygi Wilf’s pocket is shocking. I tried to explain it to him:

@edkohler a state owned casino pays for MANY things going down hill here, including a massive debt!

He didn’t seem to get it. I gave it one more try:

@edkohler new money... Duh. How is it a negative?

Well, I tried.

Just another corporate Wilfare supporting self-proclaimed conservative who favors extracting money from the public through state-run casinos so it can be earmarked for a private business owned by a guy in New Jersey.

6 thoughts on “Self-Proclaimed “Conservative” Vikings Stadium #Wilfare Queens”

  1. He may say he’s a conservative, but looking at his Twitter page, one can see he’s a proud Vikings fan first, and maybe a conservative second ( a little Brett Favre urinating on the word “Packers”). All right. Instead of cloaking all this in some high-minded talk, he could say, “the Vikings are my team. I want them to stay in Minnesota, therefore I think a new stadium is necessary for that.”

    And then, don’t apologize for it. His desire is purely personal.

  2. @Ed. Anybody who claims to be 100 % conservative has also admitted they made up their mind a long time ago and resist change. Why would you bother to waste time messaging with somebody whose mind has rusted shut??

  3. Ed, I have to agree with Rick on this one. I enjoy watching dumb people try to act smart as much as the next guy, but you’ll never change a true believer’s mind on this topic.

    If you really want to infuriate yourself over this topic, start listening to KFAN on 100.3 FM, especially Paul Allen, “The Voice of the Vikings”. The entire station has a vested interest in keeping the Vikings here, but in all the years I’ve been listening to Paul I’ve never once heard a discussion about the costs and who should, in all fairness, support the majority of them. It’s basically a sounding board for Lester Bagley and anyone else who wants free money from the people of Minnesota to support private football businesses. Even knowing that, though, the level of pandering is quite remarkable.

  4. Any deal made must include establishing a State Bank of Minnesota (based on the highly successful model – State Bank of ND)…because of the bankster mentality in major financing deals.

    I’m not some OWS flak, here’s Bloomberg–
    –http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-02/super-bowl-lands-on-taxpayers-backs-as-stadium-deal-turns-sour.html

    And why don’t the Vikes want this to go to a referendum, here’s a quote buried in that Bloomberg story–
    “A 2002 poll by the Indianapolis Star and WTHR-TV found 71 percent of residents disapproved of using tax money for a stadium.”

    And fair warning–even in the face of 71% opposition, they not only built the stadium there anyway, they fell for the worst bankster financing scheme available!

    The NFL is past peak…did you watch that ‘exciting’ Super Bowl…were you half as bored as I was? Did you watch it for the Ads…were you half as bored with the lowest common denominator lunacy appeal of 90% of those Ads?

    How can we people support his product when it sucks up so much air/money while delivering back so little value, even in its own entertainment value on TV? Can you imagine how boring it must have been at the game itself wading through all those interruptions?

    And these stadium deals are paired now with bankster financing deals that are remarkable in how much they blow up and cost beyond all expectations. The NFL is entrenched with Goldman Sachs mentality–Grubman, the NFL rep who visited Gov Dayton a few months back–came through the Goldman Sachs school of bankster financing.

    A full fledged vampire squid on the face of NFL fans. The NFL has taked a game, that blew up into an entertainment business, and now has blown up into a financial black hole on society sucking up not just fan dollars, but progressed into sucking up advertiser dollars, and then when that wasn’t enough they attracted taxpayer dollars in a never-ending lust for more.

    End the public subsidy of the NFL. Return it to being a game. Begin by financing your own stadium and avoid the NYC banksters. Make sure the stadium deal is limited to a stadium deal, no added land grab for our out-of-state developer to steal tax-free land. Make sure the Vikings team makes its money via capitalism, not socialism.

  5. @Rick & Luke, I wouldn’t expect to change that dude’s mind. It’s just fun to point out how misinformed Vikings fans can be. Ideally, we would be able to agree upon the facts of a situation and argue from there. But, this dude seems to be too far removed from the reality based community to do that.

  6. @The Other Mike, it sure does feel like the goal of the NFL (an organization run by ex-Goldman Sachs executives) is to build the most expensive stadium possible in order to put the public in as much debt as possible. They’re trying to do for cities, counties, and states what they already did to the housing market.

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