How Erik Leist Argues: A Case Study #mngop #tcot

Early today, Erik Leist took issue with the post I wrote about Ryan Lyk’s writing. In the comments, he said:

What exactly are you trying to prove by using his quotes out of context? That you can’t paint a middle class college student as a racist, bigoted, Republican elitist who accidentally put one two may ‘l’s in Michelle? Touche my friend, that is quite revolutionary for left-wing blogs…oh.

I found that comment rather offensive. If you’re going to accuse me of taking quotes out of context, have the decency to back up your accusations. Left-wing blog? Perhaps. Although left wing bloggers would generally consider me to be to the right of them. I prefer to consider myself a member of the reality based community, and willing to back up my arguments with citations so people can make their own decisions (like I did in this case). So I responded with this:

I don’t believe I pulled them out of context. In all cases, I linked to the original source, so go see for yourself. Please provide a concrete example to back up your accusation.

I also don’t believe I was painting Ryan as a racist, bigoted, Republican elitist. I was attempting to illustrate that he’s often underinformed about the topics he chooses to publicly write about.

I’m willing to treat the guy with the respect he deserves based on the quality of his arguments. Is that unfair?

Then I waited. Nothing.

But then Erik Leist popped up on Twitter telling me that I should remove the post:

Erik Leist Twitter

And, again, he didn’t provide an example of where I took Ryan Lyk’s words out of context or, frankly, give any justification for his request. That’s pretty bold. Asking someone to remove a blog post without providing a concrete example of why is just downright idiotic (I suppose it can’t hurt to ask, other than triggering someone blog about the stupidity of the action).

So I reminded him that I had responded to his comment:

Tweet to Erik Leist

Then I waited. Nothing.

Until Erik decided that, rather than respond to a perfectly reasonable request to ask him to back up his accusations, it was time to change the subject to this:

Erik Leist Subject Diversion

That’s certainly a reasonable request from Erik, but it’s really just a diversion from being accountable for his own accusations. (It’s also infers misleading reading of what I wrote, but that’s the subject for another blog post.)

So, I responded:

Another Tweet to Erik Leist

Then I waited. Nothing.

And here we sit. And wait. And, not surprisingly, wait some more. Because I don’t think Erik Leist plans to actually support the accusations he made against me.

This whole interaction bums me out. I really wish that Erik Leist would be willing to back up his accusations rather than sending ridiculous take-down requests and changing the subject. Surely, he’s a better man than that?

And, regarding the request to follow up on this post about Ryan Lyk, as I mentioned on Twitter, I’m perfectly willing to do so, but I’m looking for a little give and take here. Erik, maybe you should recant your unsupported accusations or, you know, actually support them, before asking anything of me?

3 thoughts on “How Erik Leist Argues: A Case Study #mngop #tcot”

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  2. “…Erik Leist would be willing to back up his accusations rather than sending ridiculous take-down requests and changing the subject.”

    Has anyone associated with MDE ever worked this way? Saddly the answer is “no.” Unfortunatly this is standard operating procdedure over there.

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