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		<title>By: The Other Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.thedeets.com/2010/06/02/a-few-recent-reads/#comment-19553</link>
		<dc:creator>The Other Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 19:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too have been muscling through Zinn&#039;s A People&#039;s History of the United States and am finding it revealing...I knew the generalities, but Zinn offers specifics which helps greatly.

The latest revelation was on page 349 - where it is revealed that the great &#039;progressive era&#039; (early 1900s) was actually a conservative movement, wherein conservative business self-interests were moved to pass reforms that they wrote instead of allowing the growth of socialism and general labor rebellion to occur.

Ironically this conservative movement created the BIG government intrusion that now conservatives claim they do not need.  It seems conservatives have not read their own history to realize why they created these reforms to begin with.

And of course all the other label-makers have forgotten their history too and refuse to recall where the labels they ignorantly toss about today truly came from...most of their kin were probably socialists--populist farmer co-ops and worker wobblies--and darn proud of the reforms their movements created.  These ancestors probably would be ashamed to see their fat and crabby labelmaking grandkids lazing about on their PCs all day railing about socialists--where would these kids be today without their grandparents having been socialists?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too have been muscling through Zinn&#8217;s A People&#8217;s History of the United States and am finding it revealing&#8230;I knew the generalities, but Zinn offers specifics which helps greatly.</p>
<p>The latest revelation was on page 349 &#8211; where it is revealed that the great &#8216;progressive era&#8217; (early 1900s) was actually a conservative movement, wherein conservative business self-interests were moved to pass reforms that they wrote instead of allowing the growth of socialism and general labor rebellion to occur.</p>
<p>Ironically this conservative movement created the BIG government intrusion that now conservatives claim they do not need.  It seems conservatives have not read their own history to realize why they created these reforms to begin with.</p>
<p>And of course all the other label-makers have forgotten their history too and refuse to recall where the labels they ignorantly toss about today truly came from&#8230;most of their kin were probably socialists&#8211;populist farmer co-ops and worker wobblies&#8211;and darn proud of the reforms their movements created.  These ancestors probably would be ashamed to see their fat and crabby labelmaking grandkids lazing about on their PCs all day railing about socialists&#8211;where would these kids be today without their grandparents having been socialists?</p>
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		<title>By: Gang Leader for a Day &#124; Bill Roehl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gang Leader for a Day &#124; Bill Roehl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] few weeks ago I read a post over at The Deets about books he had recently finished. Among them was Sudhir Venkatesh&#8217;s Gang Leader for a Day. Ed over at The Deets mentioned: A [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] few weeks ago I read a post over at The Deets about books he had recently finished. Among them was Sudhir Venkatesh&#8217;s Gang Leader for a Day. Ed over at The Deets mentioned: A [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Gisleson</title>
		<link>http://www.thedeets.com/2010/06/02/a-few-recent-reads/#comment-19369</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Gisleson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 19:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t hire on to become a farmer, you grow up on a farm. The only farmers I&#039;ve ever met who did not grow up farming were related to the people who owned the land (usually childless couples). 

Today&#039;s farmers represent just a small fraction of the people who grew up on farms. Most of us left. My dad&#039;s farm provides my youngest brother with a decent income (thanks to his foresight in marrying a school teacher and then deciding to sell seed on the side), but my brother could never afford to buy a farm. If you don&#039;t inherit land, it&#039;s almost impossible to become a farmer unless you sharecrop, which is a pretty hard way to make a living.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t hire on to become a farmer, you grow up on a farm. The only farmers I&#8217;ve ever met who did not grow up farming were related to the people who owned the land (usually childless couples). </p>
<p>Today&#8217;s farmers represent just a small fraction of the people who grew up on farms. Most of us left. My dad&#8217;s farm provides my youngest brother with a decent income (thanks to his foresight in marrying a school teacher and then deciding to sell seed on the side), but my brother could never afford to buy a farm. If you don&#8217;t inherit land, it&#8217;s almost impossible to become a farmer unless you sharecrop, which is a pretty hard way to make a living.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Kohler</title>
		<link>http://www.thedeets.com/2010/06/02/a-few-recent-reads/#comment-19355</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Kohler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 20:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mark, you&#039;re probably right. What was missing to me was an explanation of why people chose a profession with so much financial risk. Yes, farmers are manipulated and screwed by banks, suppliers, and buyers. So why did people put themselves into situations like that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mark, you&#8217;re probably right. What was missing to me was an explanation of why people chose a profession with so much financial risk. Yes, farmers are manipulated and screwed by banks, suppliers, and buyers. So why did people put themselves into situations like that?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Gisleson</title>
		<link>http://www.thedeets.com/2010/06/02/a-few-recent-reads/#comment-19354</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Gisleson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 17:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you should consider that maybe Zinn didn&#039;t give you enough details about how those farmers were driven off their land. No workers labor harder than farmers, or are more manipulated/screwed by banks and corporations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you should consider that maybe Zinn didn&#8217;t give you enough details about how those farmers were driven off their land. No workers labor harder than farmers, or are more manipulated/screwed by banks and corporations.</p>
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