Comments on: Yellowbook Yellow Pages Shows Opt-Out Incompetence http://www.thedeets.com/2009/07/15/yellowbook-shows-opt-out-incompetence/ Consistently against torture. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:36:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Yellowbook Fails, Fails Again, Then Refuses to Pay Up | The Deets http://www.thedeets.com/2009/07/15/yellowbook-shows-opt-out-incompetence/#comment-20877 Yellowbook Fails, Fails Again, Then Refuses to Pay Up | The Deets Thu, 04 Nov 2010 14:54:35 +0000 http://www.thedeets.com/?p=3428#comment-20877 [...] from Yellowbook’s printed directory in 2008, but still received a directory from them in both 2009 and 2010, showing that the company is not capable of living up to its own [...] [...] from Yellowbook’s printed directory in 2008, but still received a directory from them in both 2009 and 2010, showing that the company is not capable of living up to its own [...]

]]> By: No Verizon Superpages in Minneapolis or St. Paul This Year | The Deets http://www.thedeets.com/2009/07/15/yellowbook-shows-opt-out-incompetence/#comment-20581 No Verizon Superpages in Minneapolis or St. Paul This Year | The Deets Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:30:32 +0000 http://www.thedeets.com/?p=3428#comment-20581 [...] if we could only get the remaining two to add some intelligence to their distribution by having easy to use opt-out systems that they [...] [...] if we could only get the remaining two to add some intelligence to their distribution by having easy to use opt-out systems that they [...]

]]> By: Ellery Davies http://www.thedeets.com/2009/07/15/yellowbook-shows-opt-out-incompetence/#comment-19220 Ellery Davies Sun, 16 May 2010 06:52:23 +0000 http://www.thedeets.com/?p=3428#comment-19220 Ed, you have a lot of balls! ... and a lot of time to waste ... and a chip on his shoulder bigger than mine I used to pull non-conformist stunts like this - back in my college days (1970~75). But I do respect you! You will be part of the change that eventually shakes things up. It's possible that your act and the frustration of others will lead to laws with TEETH. But ultimately, those teeth will not be jail time or fines (a form of retroactive punitive penalties) -- But rather a Vanquish like deposit-seizure activated by the poorly targeted recipient. [*] As others point out, you could have been arrested for both trespassing and for throwing the YellowBooks on the front lawn of the distributor. But, I suspect that if it went to trial, a jury would accept your act as both "poetic justice" and even LESS of an infraction then the distributor's massive carpeting of every lawn in the county. (Or should I say "every lawn in the country"!! I get these books in Massachusetts too. And the Vanquish office gets about 10 for each business in the building!!!!) * I have created a specification for the ultimate demise of irritating and irrelevant contact. It has been tested as an email antispam mechanism for several years (with perfect results). After all, it should not be necessary to OPT-OUT of every damn spammer. OPT-OUT gives away personal contact information, confirms your address, forces action of non-participants, and gets to the leaves without killing the roots! (the ROOT list). Ref: www.vanquish.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=20 Ellery Davies Ellery (at) starbus (dot) com Ed, you have a lot of balls!
… and a lot of time to waste
… and a chip on his shoulder bigger than mine
I used to pull non-conformist stunts like this – back in my college days (1970~75).

But I do respect you! You will be part of the change that eventually shakes things up.

It’s possible that your act and the frustration of others will lead to laws with TEETH. But ultimately, those teeth will not be jail time or fines (a form of retroactive punitive penalties) — But rather a Vanquish like deposit-seizure activated by the poorly targeted recipient. [*]

As others point out, you could have been arrested for both trespassing and for throwing the YellowBooks on the front lawn of the distributor. But, I suspect that if it went to trial, a jury would accept your act as both “poetic justice” and even LESS of an infraction then the distributor’s massive carpeting of every lawn in the county. (Or should I say “every lawn in the country”!! I get these books in Massachusetts too. And the Vanquish office gets about 10 for each business in the building!!!!)

* I have created a specification for the ultimate demise of irritating and irrelevant contact. It has been tested as an email antispam mechanism for several years (with perfect results). After all, it should not be necessary to OPT-OUT of every damn spammer. OPT-OUT gives away personal contact information, confirms your address, forces action of non-participants, and gets to the leaves without killing the roots! (the ROOT list). Ref: http://www.vanquish.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=20

Ellery Davies
Ellery (at) starbus (dot) com

]]> By: Colorado Votes to Not Create an Opt-Out Phone Book System | The Deets http://www.thedeets.com/2009/07/15/yellowbook-shows-opt-out-incompetence/#comment-18560 Colorado Votes to Not Create an Opt-Out Phone Book System | The Deets Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:02:33 +0000 http://www.thedeets.com/?p=3428#comment-18560 [...] course, as we know, there is a difference between maintaining an opt-out list and abiding by the list. Additionally, if lists are maintained by individual companies, consumers are forces to work [...] [...] course, as we know, there is a difference between maintaining an opt-out list and abiding by the list. Additionally, if lists are maintained by individual companies, consumers are forces to work [...]

]]> By: Ed Kohler http://www.thedeets.com/2009/07/15/yellowbook-shows-opt-out-incompetence/#comment-18558 Ed Kohler Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:09:16 +0000 http://www.thedeets.com/?p=3428#comment-18558 @heather, isn't it interesting that Yellowbook verifies whether books are delivered, yet doesn't seem to verify whether people who've opted out of YP delivery did not receive a book as requested. Sadly, there are delivery people caught up in the mess created by Yellowbook's incompetence. I also hear about people harassing YP delivery people about the spam they're creating. Of course, it wouldn't be considered spam if it was only delivered to those who actually want the books in 2010. If only Yellowbook and other YP companies could figure this out, life would be better for many households across the country and for YP delivery folks. @heather, isn’t it interesting that Yellowbook verifies whether books are delivered, yet doesn’t seem to verify whether people who’ve opted out of YP delivery did not receive a book as requested. Sadly, there are delivery people caught up in the mess created by Yellowbook’s incompetence. I also hear about people harassing YP delivery people about the spam they’re creating. Of course, it wouldn’t be considered spam if it was only delivered to those who actually want the books in 2010. If only Yellowbook and other YP companies could figure this out, life would be better for many households across the country and for YP delivery folks.

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