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		<title>By: Mark Gisleson</title>
		<link>http://www.thedeets.com/2009/02/23/the-yellow-pages-one-sided-religious-war/#comment-9081</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Gisleson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sold Yellow Pages one summer. Not DEX, but a niche competitor in Iowa that had actually clobbered Bell at their own game. When I was young if you used the phone for business you had to get copies of the phone books for every town you called on. Statewide political campaigns had to buy every phone book in the state to build their calling lists. 

Hanson Directory came up with the idea of regional books and then did a pretty fair job of lumping the right communities together. Bell got hit hard enough that they also had to consolidate their books.

This is the only time I am aware of that Yellow Pages publishers ever did anything to benefit the consumer. Theirs has always been an industry exclusively dedicated to maximizing revenue from an information monopoly, and they truly have no idea how to survive now that they have serious competition.

They won&#039;t make it online. They are inherently consumer unfriendly and I do not trust them to prioritize my search findings in an acceptable or complete manner. Even if they fix their problems [by copying a successful model], I wouldn&#039;t trust them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sold Yellow Pages one summer. Not DEX, but a niche competitor in Iowa that had actually clobbered Bell at their own game. When I was young if you used the phone for business you had to get copies of the phone books for every town you called on. Statewide political campaigns had to buy every phone book in the state to build their calling lists. </p>
<p>Hanson Directory came up with the idea of regional books and then did a pretty fair job of lumping the right communities together. Bell got hit hard enough that they also had to consolidate their books.</p>
<p>This is the only time I am aware of that Yellow Pages publishers ever did anything to benefit the consumer. Theirs has always been an industry exclusively dedicated to maximizing revenue from an information monopoly, and they truly have no idea how to survive now that they have serious competition.</p>
<p>They won&#8217;t make it online. They are inherently consumer unfriendly and I do not trust them to prioritize my search findings in an acceptable or complete manner. Even if they fix their problems [by copying a successful model], I wouldn&#8217;t trust them.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Kohler</title>
		<link>http://www.thedeets.com/2009/02/23/the-yellow-pages-one-sided-religious-war/#comment-9077</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Kohler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@The Other Mike, Neal Polachek from The Kelsey Group broke it down well this week near the end of &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.kelseygroup.com/index.php/2009/02/18/in-scott-we-trust-a-discussion-with-new-idearc-ceo-scott-klein/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a profile of Idearc Media&#039;s CEO, Scott Klein&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Yellow Pages companies — large and small, incumbent and independent — have spent nearly two decades burning goodwill and trust among their advertisers. Whether they were raising rates in the face of clear usage and/or distribution declines, or simply not being transparent and objective in planning a print Yellow Pages campaign, advertisers — large and small — are reluctant to “trust” Yellow Pages publishers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I have a hard time trusting Idearc (and their competitors) based on how they treat the public. It sucks to hear that they&#039;ve also been abusing the trust of local businesses, but it&#039;s not that surprising to find out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@The Other Mike, Neal Polachek from The Kelsey Group broke it down well this week near the end of <a href="http://blog.kelseygroup.com/index.php/2009/02/18/in-scott-we-trust-a-discussion-with-new-idearc-ceo-scott-klein/" rel="nofollow">a profile of Idearc Media&#8217;s CEO, Scott Klein</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Yellow Pages companies — large and small, incumbent and independent — have spent nearly two decades burning goodwill and trust among their advertisers. Whether they were raising rates in the face of clear usage and/or distribution declines, or simply not being transparent and objective in planning a print Yellow Pages campaign, advertisers — large and small — are reluctant to “trust” Yellow Pages publishers.</p></blockquote>
<p>I have a hard time trusting Idearc (and their competitors) based on how they treat the public. It sucks to hear that they&#8217;ve also been abusing the trust of local businesses, but it&#8217;s not that surprising to find out.</p>
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		<title>By: The Other Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.thedeets.com/2009/02/23/the-yellow-pages-one-sided-religious-war/#comment-9072</link>
		<dc:creator>The Other Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, even atheists will have to admit that the YP rapture will occur before the real one, right?

This is interesting to see the precipitous fall of all these industries (financial, newspapers, YP) that for years over-inflated their true sales numbers and ROI to the point now where the reckoning occurs.  Instead of relying on real numbers, which while flatter would have allowed a gentler fall more easily explained with facts, now they are forced to layer lies upon lies to try to tap dance around the reality that people all around the world no longer turn to the yellow pages (except of course those emergencies like the couch falling on you when your cell phone is dead and only the yellow pages is available because you had used it to replace that couch leg that fell off the last time you moved).

And then they try to profile a person like me as being way above the early adopter curve of new technology...what a joke...I barely touch my cell minutes; and I use computers--not because they are so geeky cool that I can impress my friends by not using YP--I use a computer because it replaces YP, it is more efficient and up-to-date.  I don&#039;t run around my computer and worship its power, I use it like a hammer and screwdriver, as a tool for my life.  I don&#039;t use YP, rarely did ever and certainly not since about 1999 when I stopped buying a home phone-line too.

I don&#039;t begrudge late-adopters continuing to use YP, but at this point, they are the ones who should OPT-IN for this archaic service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, even atheists will have to admit that the YP rapture will occur before the real one, right?</p>
<p>This is interesting to see the precipitous fall of all these industries (financial, newspapers, YP) that for years over-inflated their true sales numbers and ROI to the point now where the reckoning occurs.  Instead of relying on real numbers, which while flatter would have allowed a gentler fall more easily explained with facts, now they are forced to layer lies upon lies to try to tap dance around the reality that people all around the world no longer turn to the yellow pages (except of course those emergencies like the couch falling on you when your cell phone is dead and only the yellow pages is available because you had used it to replace that couch leg that fell off the last time you moved).</p>
<p>And then they try to profile a person like me as being way above the early adopter curve of new technology&#8230;what a joke&#8230;I barely touch my cell minutes; and I use computers&#8211;not because they are so geeky cool that I can impress my friends by not using YP&#8211;I use a computer because it replaces YP, it is more efficient and up-to-date.  I don&#8217;t run around my computer and worship its power, I use it like a hammer and screwdriver, as a tool for my life.  I don&#8217;t use YP, rarely did ever and certainly not since about 1999 when I stopped buying a home phone-line too.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t begrudge late-adopters continuing to use YP, but at this point, they are the ones who should OPT-IN for this archaic service.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed, 
If you keep railing on the YP industry you are going to mess up my whole world.  They send me a couple of phone books a year and I find them extremely useful.  SOMETHING must start my fire in the wood stove.  And the YP industry has been kind enough to give me fire starter, free of charge, that if used sparingly will last me the whole winter.  I cant get newspapers delivered to my house so this could be considered a matter of LIFE AND DEATH!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed,<br />
If you keep railing on the YP industry you are going to mess up my whole world.  They send me a couple of phone books a year and I find them extremely useful.  SOMETHING must start my fire in the wood stove.  And the YP industry has been kind enough to give me fire starter, free of charge, that if used sparingly will last me the whole winter.  I cant get newspapers delivered to my house so this could be considered a matter of LIFE AND DEATH!!!</p>
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		<title>By: The Freets</title>
		<link>http://www.thedeets.com/2009/02/23/the-yellow-pages-one-sided-religious-war/#comment-9069</link>
		<dc:creator>The Freets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think, perhaps, that the saying, &quot;There are no atheists in foxholes&quot; might describe the remaining YP industry defenders. They are clearly in distress and in a fight for their industry&#039;s survival. As such, they are making extreme arguments that don&#039;t allow for rational argument. I&#039;m just wondering when we&#039;ll hear Ken proclaim, &quot;God told me to run a crappy/non-existent opt-out system and to deliver to clearly abandoned homes.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think, perhaps, that the saying, &#8220;There are no atheists in foxholes&#8221; might describe the remaining YP industry defenders. They are clearly in distress and in a fight for their industry&#8217;s survival. As such, they are making extreme arguments that don&#8217;t allow for rational argument. I&#8217;m just wondering when we&#8217;ll hear Ken proclaim, &#8220;God told me to run a crappy/non-existent opt-out system and to deliver to clearly abandoned homes.&#8221;</p>
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