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	<title>Comments on: Prosper.com Loan Review &#8211; Person to Person Lending</title>
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		<title>By: prosper.com</title>
		<link>http://www.thedeets.com/2008/06/05/prosper-com-loan-review-person-to-person-lending/#comment-8400</link>
		<dc:creator>prosper.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 07:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moroco Topo  - You must&#039;ve gotten killed. The Brazilian stock market has gone down almost 50% from when you posted</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moroco Topo  &#8211; You must&#8217;ve gotten killed. The Brazilian stock market has gone down almost 50% from when you posted</p>
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		<title>By: Moroco Topo</title>
		<link>http://www.thedeets.com/2008/06/05/prosper-com-loan-review-person-to-person-lending/#comment-5494</link>
		<dc:creator>Moroco Topo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was a commercial banker, not one of those personal investment types.  Can&#039;t help you there.  Now, if you ask me where my personal money is right now, i will tell you: brazilian stocks and commodities.  It is all about getting in front of the next bubble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a commercial banker, not one of those personal investment types.  Can&#8217;t help you there.  Now, if you ask me where my personal money is right now, i will tell you: brazilian stocks and commodities.  It is all about getting in front of the next bubble.</p>
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		<title>By: kohler</title>
		<link>http://www.thedeets.com/2008/06/05/prosper-com-loan-review-person-to-person-lending/#comment-5493</link>
		<dc:creator>kohler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moraco, thanks for sharing. Based on your experience, what types of investments would you recommend instead?

Yes, I&#039;m a Kiva lender. Awesome service. I&#039;ve written about it on here before. A quick search should pull that up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moraco, thanks for sharing. Based on your experience, what types of investments would you recommend instead?</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m a Kiva lender. Awesome service. I&#8217;ve written about it on here before. A quick search should pull that up.</p>
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		<title>By: Moroco Topo</title>
		<link>http://www.thedeets.com/2008/06/05/prosper-com-loan-review-person-to-person-lending/#comment-5492</link>
		<dc:creator>Moroco Topo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 13:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a former banker here in town, i will tell you that on average, loans start to go &quot;bad&quot; at about the 2 year mark.  That was with secured loans.  unsecured loans like these, i would expect some turmoil between the 8-14 month mark.  

I understand that you are getting some satisfaction from the lending that needs to be added to the equation but from a purely matematical standpoint, you are not getting enough of a return to justify the risk you are taking.

Finally, have you tried kiva?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former banker here in town, i will tell you that on average, loans start to go &#8220;bad&#8221; at about the 2 year mark.  That was with secured loans.  unsecured loans like these, i would expect some turmoil between the 8-14 month mark.  </p>
<p>I understand that you are getting some satisfaction from the lending that needs to be added to the equation but from a purely matematical standpoint, you are not getting enough of a return to justify the risk you are taking.</p>
<p>Finally, have you tried kiva?</p>
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		<title>By: Cosmos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cosmos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 00:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of the worst portfolios on Prosper.  http://www.lendingstats.com/lenders/MuleShoes

Muleshoes was active in the first round of Prosper forums, and he didnâ€™t listen to anybody.  You can find an archive of the original official Prosper forums here: http://prosperreport.com/

The portfolio that you linked to, Pensioner, is a sad story.  I met him at both Prosper Days, in 07 and 08.  He was interviewed in a magazine, and admitted to using several hundred thousand from a home equity loan to get in early because such high interest rates were too good to be true.  Heâ€™s a really nice guy.

In November 2007 Prosper took down the official forums and replaced them with heavily moderated forums.  Prosper was unhappy with the tone and lack of control of the forums.  When the archive was made available, Prosper accused prosperreport.com of cybersquatting and threatened to sue.  Funny how that was the only cybersquatting action they took, even though several other sites used Prosper in their names.  

The front page of Prosperreports has links to a fraudster that used Prosper, and an extortionist.   The Jessica Wolcott story is nearly unbelievable.  The Victoria Crawford fraud was uncovered by active Prosper lenders.  


http://www.rateladder.com/2008/04/03/vintage-curves-04-2008-amount-late-by-credit-grade-from-origination/

Rateladder, aka Kevin Gillette, who know works for Prosper, does a monthly chart showing lates by credit grade.

The cure rate for anything 30+ days late is so low that most people (other than Prosper in their official speeches, et al) consider it defaulted.

Prosper makes an API download available for developers, thatâ€™s what LendingStats, Eric and Rateladder use for their data.  You could download it and play around it with, too.

You can also obtain a lot of data by using the performance data available on Prosperâ€™s website. Itâ€™s under Bid on Loans, then Performance.  Keep in mind that a loan is not eligible to be 30 days late until 30 days after the first payment is due.  So if you wanted to look at all loans with a credit grade of B, the best representation would be use 2/1/06 (or was it 4/1/06 it become publicâ€”anything from 11/05 through 2/1 or 3/1/06 was test/internal use) through 4/1/08.  

Regarding collections, Iâ€™ve had 2 B loans go bad.  It doesnâ€™t appear that collections are more successful with prime/near prime borrowers than sub-prime borrowers.  Across the board collections are broken.  PMI hired a ops guy to handle collections, Doug Fuller, last year.  Heâ€™s trying, but it hasnâ€™t improved too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the worst portfolios on Prosper.  <a href="http://www.lendingstats.com/lenders/MuleShoes" rel="nofollow">http://www.lendingstats.com/lenders/MuleShoes</a></p>
<p>Muleshoes was active in the first round of Prosper forums, and he didnâ€™t listen to anybody.  You can find an archive of the original official Prosper forums here: <a href="http://prosperreport.com/" rel="nofollow">http://prosperreport.com/</a></p>
<p>The portfolio that you linked to, Pensioner, is a sad story.  I met him at both Prosper Days, in 07 and 08.  He was interviewed in a magazine, and admitted to using several hundred thousand from a home equity loan to get in early because such high interest rates were too good to be true.  Heâ€™s a really nice guy.</p>
<p>In November 2007 Prosper took down the official forums and replaced them with heavily moderated forums.  Prosper was unhappy with the tone and lack of control of the forums.  When the archive was made available, Prosper accused prosperreport.com of cybersquatting and threatened to sue.  Funny how that was the only cybersquatting action they took, even though several other sites used Prosper in their names.  </p>
<p>The front page of Prosperreports has links to a fraudster that used Prosper, and an extortionist.   The Jessica Wolcott story is nearly unbelievable.  The Victoria Crawford fraud was uncovered by active Prosper lenders.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.rateladder.com/2008/04/03/vintage-curves-04-2008-amount-late-by-credit-grade-from-origination/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rateladder.com/2008/04/03/vintage-curves-04-2008-amount-late-by-credit-grade-from-origination/</a></p>
<p>Rateladder, aka Kevin Gillette, who know works for Prosper, does a monthly chart showing lates by credit grade.</p>
<p>The cure rate for anything 30+ days late is so low that most people (other than Prosper in their official speeches, et al) consider it defaulted.</p>
<p>Prosper makes an API download available for developers, thatâ€™s what LendingStats, Eric and Rateladder use for their data.  You could download it and play around it with, too.</p>
<p>You can also obtain a lot of data by using the performance data available on Prosperâ€™s website. Itâ€™s under Bid on Loans, then Performance.  Keep in mind that a loan is not eligible to be 30 days late until 30 days after the first payment is due.  So if you wanted to look at all loans with a credit grade of B, the best representation would be use 2/1/06 (or was it 4/1/06 it become publicâ€”anything from 11/05 through 2/1 or 3/1/06 was test/internal use) through 4/1/08.  </p>
<p>Regarding collections, Iâ€™ve had 2 B loans go bad.  It doesnâ€™t appear that collections are more successful with prime/near prime borrowers than sub-prime borrowers.  Across the board collections are broken.  PMI hired a ops guy to handle collections, Doug Fuller, last year.  Heâ€™s trying, but it hasnâ€™t improved too much.</p>
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